Hi..I'm new here. I live in Florence going to art school for painting....I'll learn how to make my own paints and the way the old masters painted..(well..I still have to wait maybe another year befor I'm painting..still trying to get better at drawing)
Since some of you probebly know more about the Medici family and Florentine Renaissance more then I do...what are some good things so read..or what should I check out over here?
I want to make my own Renaissance outfit and do some paintings of Renaissance times..
I will probebly be asking more questions on here once I start painting my own stuff..
One day I will be looking for intresting people to model in pierod correct Renaissance clothes...but that wont be for a few years....maybe I'll paint one of you....we'll see.
ciao
-girlinFlorence
Since some of you probebly know more about the Medici family and Florentine Renaissance more then I do...what are some good things so read..or what should I check out over here?
I want to make my own Renaissance outfit and do some paintings of Renaissance times..
I will probebly be asking more questions on here once I start painting my own stuff..
One day I will be looking for intresting people to model in pierod correct Renaissance clothes...but that wont be for a few years....maybe I'll paint one of you....we'll see.
ciao
-girlinFlorence
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Sun, April 17, 2005 - 10:18 AMFor a good history overview I would strongly recommend Gene Brucker's "Renaissance Florence". Which school are you attending? Sounds like a lot of fun! -
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Sun, April 17, 2005 - 2:27 PMI remember going to the Cathedral in 89 with me folkes! and seeing
a whole bunch of Hare Krishna's chanting needless to say the clergy and the spectators were anything but amused! :P
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Sun, April 17, 2005 - 7:22 PMYou might check out my Guild's website, www.stamaria.com
There are a few interesting bits in the web resources. If you do ANYTHING, visit the Ufizzi and get some of their exhibition catalogs. Beautiful stuff! -
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Sun, April 17, 2005 - 10:43 PMI loved the crusader tombs down in the crypt!
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Mon, April 18, 2005 - 1:39 PMYou learning more of painting in Florence sounds awesome....I love and value those kinds of learning experiences all the more!
Anyways, re Florentine and Medici history reading, these are volumes that I have and which I have read somewhat enough to recommend:
Machiavelli wrote besides The Prince and The Discourses, several mostly smallish valuable works like bios, plays, or letters relative to both of these histories, as well as a longer History of Florence.
Francesco Guicciardini also wrote a classic History of Florence.
G.F. Young wrote a large standard classic text in english called "The Medici."
Also, Jacob Burckhardt wrote "The Civilization of the Renaissance in Italy" in the 19th century, which is classic, valuable, and a not too long more of general history of the larger time and place.
I would also recommend as a larger history, Edward Gibbon's The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, as beyond being one of the greatest works of history in history, it provides all sorts of context as well as how the History and Fortunes of Florence fit within the legacy of Rome, particularly the Holy Roman Empire.
Another thing I highly recommend is The Lives of the Artists by Giorgio Vasari. The whole multi volume set bios many many artists of the period, and Vasari was a notable artist and personality of the time, himself.
Unfortunately, I can't recall and doubt if he treats with any female artists of the time, as they were unfortunately little appreciated and encouraged.
If I was to be in a similar position of learning more painting in Florence, I would personally seek out these women artists all the more, such as Artemesia Gentileschi.
By the way, can you tell us what spring is like there, right now--smells, colors, flavors, happenings!! -
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Wed, April 20, 2005 - 3:18 PM>G.F. Young wrote a large standard classic text in english >called "The Medici."
Just a brief helpful note to anyone pursuing this/these books. Published in the 20's, there are two types, the standard two volume set, and an abridged single volume. The two book set has much more data on the lesser members of the family, but is usually only found sold for $90+ a set. If you use Alibris or Abebooks, you can pick up an "unmatched" volume one or two for about $15, thus saving 60 bucks by not worrying about an "unmatched" pair.
I also cannot say enough about the two volume set, Medieval and Renaissance Florence by Ferdinand Schevill
It's an excellent survey on the Medieval world of Italy, the Papacy, and the Holy Roman Empire. An easy read, it pinpoints the developments in Florence that helped bring the Renaissance to being. Also an excellent source for little documented people, places, documents, and political titles and structures. Out of print, but easily found (and cheap) at www.alibris.com or www.abebooks.com
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Fri, April 22, 2005 - 5:46 PM>>>Just a brief helpful note to anyone pursuing this/these books. Published in the 20's, there are two types, the standard two volume set, and an abridged single volume. The two book set has much more data on the lesser members of the family, but is usually only found sold for $90+ a set. If you use Alibris or Abebooks, you can pick up an "unmatched" volume one or two for about $15, thus saving 60 bucks by not worrying about an "unmatched" pair.
Modern Library for I don't know how many years (like 1940's and 1950's) put out what is called "Giant" Modern Library editions, one of which was an unabridged version of The Medici by G.W. Young, which also includes like 30 or so pages of b & w photos of various Medici and renaissance stuff.... I have a copy, and over the years have seen a few others out there at used book stores....If I recall correctly, Modern Library also put out the "regular" sized version of The Medici, which I think was abridged, and without photos... -
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Mon, April 25, 2005 - 3:40 PMHere's the skinny, and you have to read the details of an item for sale with the below data in mind as you're evaluating:
1930/1933; Modern Library
Single volume edition
824 Pages
32 Illustrations reproduced in Aquatone
Pullout Geneology Chart
1909-1933; Many different Publishers, including Modern Library
Two Volume set
538/576 pages (some listed at 538/523)
103 Plates
1-3 Pullouts (vary with edition)
There *is* a difference in the data between these two versions, and it's the lesser members of the family that make it to the cutting room floor in the single folio version.
Abebooks has quite a few sets referenced now, and it appears the price is much better than when I first went looking for them 15 years ago(~30.00 now)
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Mon, April 25, 2005 - 4:09 PMthank you :)
I'll have to check into it when I get a sec away from school(dont know when that will be)...probebly later then sooner....now I'm going to start taking Italian after my night drawing classes..wow..eveyday school 9am-930pm...also weekends full till July..
But I still want to learn about Florence and Renaissance.
Thank you very much all of you for all your help :)
-girlinFlorence
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Thu, April 28, 2005 - 7:30 PMThanks for the clarity, D. Matthew. However, I am confused:
Here at this library I have before me a 2 volume set of Young's The Medici published by Dutton, published 1924 (538/576), and a Modern Library single volume version, published 1930 (824 pp). Aside from plates, appendixes, pullouts, and notes differences, each has exactly the same amount of chapters (XXXII) and the same Medici personages fully treated.
There are no members of the family listed in one version while missing from the other.
At the link you provide to Adebooks, even with publishers other than Dutton and Modern Library, there appear on that surface no other versions (that have more chapters and personages than XXXII?
I have found no content difference between my personal Giant Modern Library edition and the regular size Modern Library editions that I have run across, after all, such as this one beside me here at the library.
Could you direct me to a specific edition/publisher that has these other lesser members of the family that are not in this Dutton or Modern Library, and moreover, can you list some of these members, so it will be easier to find it, as I would like to have a copy....? -
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Re: Florence and Renaissance...
Fri, April 29, 2005 - 11:11 AMInteresting. It seems that a single volume unabridged volume was released (the 824 page version referenced earlier) along with the abridged version which sits on my shelf, and I'll safely assume mine doesn't have the same attributes as what Abebooks has listed. My mistake. If I recall correctly, the main differences were most glaring near the end of Volume I, perhaps around Piero the Unfortunates line?. If you're truly interested, I can pull the specifics for you, but it sounds like you've got the full version on both counts, ergo you're not missing anything.
That said, being that the differences you observed in "plates, appendixes, pullouts, and notes" to me constitutes a fairly obvious and significant difference between versions at the least, being that Abebooks does have at least one copy listed with 300 some odd pages, as opposed to 538, 576 or 824 pages, being that I was just pulling the data I was offered from Abebooks as a friendly gesture, and granted that you have successfuly pointed out the misinformation I had orginally posted, my original message regarding abridged and or less informative versions of this wonderful resource still stands.
Which leaves me finding your reply somewhat dripping with self-satisfied smugness, wholly unfriendly in a forum where people are just trying to share references and experience, and I am just trying to figure out what in the world could cause such nitpicky hostility.
Regards,
Matthew
P.S. Were I to launch a volley in a similar vein, I might have opted to use a similar approach, perhaps a reply that consisted of "Gee, I haven't seen the Modern Library version from the 50's. Would you mind passing along the Library Of Congress' Catalog number?". Assuming, of course, that I was *trying* to get into a pissing contest with you, sheesh.... take a valium. -
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RE: 'The Medici' by Col. G. F. Young - C.B. , Single Folio version
Fri, April 29, 2005 - 6:22 PMFor what it's worth, and to promote accuracy in this day and age of an overwhelming quantity of unreliable online data, significant shortcomings of the 824 page, single folio version of Colonel G. F. Young's amazing work, 'The Medici' are detailed below, as noted from the 1933 edition published by The Modern Library:
Lacking 17 Appendices (the proper plural term for 'Appendix'), it comprises of ~29 pages of data, tables and pullouts, which were originally found split between the two Volumes.
Among these Appendices are the complete Geneology Charts of both the "Elder" and the "Younger" Branches of the Medici family.
As the text of the book proper (identical between both versions) focuses primarily on the more prominent members of the family, there are members of the Medici family, and their Spouses where appropriate, that are defined here, but nowhere else in the book.
Additionally, while all of the footnotes are included in the single folio version, they are collected in the back. The 2 volume version includes the footnotes on the page where they occur, making referencing, collecting Bibliographic information, and overall, providing a more thorough understanding of the text to the reader at a more rapid pace.
To close, in the interest of promoting a more thorough picture of the Medici and their influence in Italy, and indeed Europe overall, I would strongly encourage the professional or even amateur student of Italy, Florence, the Renaissance in general, or the Medici in particular, to acquire the 2 volume version in lieu of the single folio version, and they are available as described at either of the links posted earlier.
And with that, I believe I have dotted my i's and crossed my t's, as opposed to the converse.
Sincerely,
D. Matthew Kelty
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